Oukoku e Tsuzuku Michi Chapter 243
To celebrate the victory in the war with Vandolea!
To celebrate returning alive after the unprecedented great catastrophe!
To celebrate our honorable poverty!
Count Monas.h.i.+, Viscount Binbo, Baron Gokhin, and I raise our gla.s.ses and lightly tap them together.
Right now, we’re enjoying ourselves in a modest victory party, though it’s a delayed one and for a victory that can’t even really be considered a victory after that half-baked conclusion
Well, a win is a win. You did not suffer many losses, did you?
That’s what Leopolt said, which is why this event is being hosted.
The venue is Count Monas.h.i.+’s mansion even though it’s normal practice for the victory celebration to officially be held in my residence because this occasion is a simple dinner party.
Besides, furniture is still being moved into my new mansion and the dwarves haven’t completed the chandelier I requested.
I would look so uncool if I let anyone in that bare building.
Accompanying me are, excluding the escorts and attendants, my wives Nonna, Carla, Mel, and of course Celia.
Since the event is celebrating a military victory, Leopolt also came along.
If that was all, it would be the usual lineup, however we have a special guest this time.
Riding in a separate carriage away from my beloved was so lonely.
At first, she was going to ride in the same carriage as the other girls, but all of them complained how it was too cramped, too hot and too stinky, so there was no other choice but to have her ride in another carriage along with Clara.
Steam seemed to rise from the top of the carriage despite no furnace being installed inside, though the reason remains unknown.
Anyways Claudia you look incredible.
S-stop, you’re making me blus.h.!.+ I’m a little larger so I wanted to hide my figure a little by wearing a looser dress.
If one word can be used to describe her, it would be ‘sphere’.
Nothing could really be hidden as it looked like a cloth was draped over a ball.
All the others around her were also at a loss for words.
A large jewel hung from her neck.
She wanted to sell all the jewels she brought with her, but I stopped her from selling just this heirloom jewel of the Malordol house so it could be turned into a necklace for her.
According to Claudia, her husband fought to his last breath to protect her.
It wouldn’t hurt to save at least one keepsake that connects her with him and all the others.
After all, the son she gave birth to is most likely from my seed.
I’ll look after Claudia and her kid properly so he better not become some vengeful ghost, it’ll scare Casie.
I s.h.i.+ft my gaze away from the round madam and take a look around me.
The hall is decorated fairly luxuriously but not overly adorned with jewels or gold and silver, just the way I like it.
What I’m concerned about are the guards.
The guards standing within the hall alongside the wall are wearing gorgeous equipment.
However, the ones who will actually be preventing any intruders are the guards standing outside the hall with their unmatching crude armors and spears.
It feels like they’re just trying to keep up appearances on the surface.
Our expedition this time was successful in securing long term stability, though it was a failure if you look at the war expenditures. Losing that much equipment is a significant blow even for us. Those who were expecting to profit from plundering or looting must be disappointed.
Leopolt doesn’t particularly sugarcoat things as he stands by me.
I guess, and now we have more money to work with thanks to Claudia buying the furniture.
When I look back at her, she’s bouncing up and down happily.
I’m indebted to her.
I’ll have to repay her in other ways besides in bed.
To them who were weak financially to begin with, it might have been fatal.
It leaves a bad aftertaste in my mouth knowing they rounded up troops and equipment to fight for me only to fall into ruin.
Didn’t they choose to follow us on their own accord? We didn’t request for their help.
Celia speaks up to let me know she’s here too.
She’s partic.i.p.ating as a soldier so she’s in military gear rather than a dress.
But that wouldn’t be appealing so I had her apply lots of makeup, making her already pretty face even prettier.
All that time she was standing guard earlier, the knights of other households shouted out to her and made her feel uneasy.
Uuu, I’ll stay beside Aegir-sama.
I didn’t think this comical appearance of makeup and military uniform would turn out so wonderful.
maybe I’ll have her service me looking like this later.
When I pat her head, Celia’s expression relaxes, but then she shakes her head and becomes serious again.
She’s really super cute, I want to gobble her up right now.
Nevertheless, why are there so many partic.i.p.ants?
I intended for this to be a dinner party with Count Monas.h.i.+ and a few other n.o.bles and their families.
But there is a whole row of people and food lined up like it’s some sort of banquet.
I guess all the nearby n.o.bles and their wives came to attend.
I can understand the relatives of the three houses that served in the war attending but I’ve never even seen that guy before.
I’ll probably forget some old man’s face immediately after seeing him though.
That is Viscount so and so1. He is a feudal lord of a territory located further to the north east than Count Monas.h.i.+ and has an elder brother who deals with financial affairs in the capital.
Without a moment’s delay, Sebastian the butler answers.
It was a right move to bring him along for situations like these.
He naturally knows the ranks of all the n.o.ble households in Goldonia, but also has a good grasp of their status, bloodline relations, and even their standings in the recent dispute between factions.
So he’s a civil official type. Why is he in an event meant for celebrating a military victory?
He provided the supplies and funds for Viscount Binbo, and also fought alongside him.
In other words, he lent Viscount Binbo various things.
Coming all the way to a victory celebration to collect debt, I feel a little sympathy for him.
Strengthening the ties with those you fought alongside on the battlefield is a practice as old as ancient times. Especially so when master’s circle of friends is not that large, would it not be a good idea to take this opportunity with more people than you thought?
Fumu, the reason I stepped into this social gathering is because Nonna made a fuss insisting for me to be present today.
The only people I know here are Count Monas.h.i.+, Viscount Binbo and Baron Gekihin2, while the rest are people who I can’t put a name to.
Sebastian whispers to me in a way that other guests in the vicinity can’t hear.
Baron Douken over there is the reason why Count Monas.h.i.+ could transport his goods using a maintained road.
Logistics is important, but the guy who made the path is unrelated to the battle, no?
I’m sure he would have created the road on the King’s orders even if there was no war.
Viscount such and such3 is the reason Baron Gokhin could lend his army second-hand weapons.
If that much makes someone related to the fight, then all merchants should receive awards for distinguished services.
Baron so and so was the one who introduced Viscount Binbo to a merchant who he could borrow a large sum of money from.
so he’s just some guy who made a referral to a lender.
If you roam around Rafen at night, you’ll be introduced to some loansharks.
You won’t be able to repay the debts from most of them and will probably end up being taken to the mine in Lintbloom or dragged off to hunt black beasts though.
They’re the ones who invited them, besides I have nothing to say to them.
I’m not the host, so there’s no need for me to meddle in their affairs.
They probably couldn’t refuse them in the first place because of the debt.
Anyways, you’re pretty knowledgeable. I’m impressed you know all that.
Relations.h.i.+ps between n.o.bles are a very fickle thing.
It takes skill to have a grasp on that.
Sebastian bows deeply.
It is my job after all. The relations.h.i.+ps have been changing quite vigorously in recent years however and this old brain of mine is doing all it can to keep up.
With that said, Sebastian bows and eliminates his presence once again as he retreats to the back.
Incidentally, Nonna is stronger when it comes to unofficial information.
That person’s wife is cheating with one of the subordinate knights.
The son of that household is fond of the daughter of that house.
The second son of that house is a shut-in.
Gossip make up most of her information but there are rare instances where they become clues to important information.
She apparently picks up conversations from far away with her sharp hearing instead of talking to them directly.
By the way, what is my reputation like among the wives?
Why is she looking away?
She became sad so I guess I’ll talk to Count Monas.h.i.+ and the others about war stories or something.
I’m surprised we all survived. It really seemed like the world was ending.
I’m amazed at Lord Hardlett as I heard that he rushed to the very back to save one of his subordinates.
He truly is the reincarnation of the G.o.d of war!
That last flattering comment was unnecessary, but it certainly was a close call.
I really thought that was the end.
The atmosphere becomes dark all of a sudden.
It was because Lord Hardlett ordered such a swift retreat that our armies didn’t suffer many casualties though
It ended with us not gaining any spoils of war and losing a bunch of equipment.
The money to pay the soldiers’ wages the money for food costs
Lord Hardlett may have carved out land for himself but it isn’t very rich land.
He lost way more equipment than we did.
Not to mention he has to look after over 9000 prisoners of war
Aren’t you guys approaching me for the same reason?
Stop it, you want to make me poor and drag me into the poverty alliance too?
It definitely hurts to lose a ton of weapons.
But unlike them, I can produce steel on my own so I can get armor and weapons rather inexpensively.
The arrangement for the re-equipment of the army is just waiting for the increase in production from the completion of the new dragon scale blast furnaces.
Furthermore, the prisoners I’m supporting are working for my by doing cultivation and construction.
It’s necessary to provide them with food but my territory is fortunate enough to have a bountiful harvest, and the harvest will only increase in the coming years because of all the newly cultivated fields.
The issue is with finding marriage partners for them, but even that will take care of itself because of the influx of people from the land taken from Vandolea.
The difference in wealth between the southern part of my territory developed by Adolph and the northern part of Vandolea which seems abandoned is large.
People would obviously want to move to a richer environment.
I feel bad for the three poor n.o.bles but I’m on my way out from the large and temporary hole I was put in by the losses I suffered.
That reminds me, a large caravan from Stura was headed to Lord Hardlett’s territory. Did you buy something?
That was probably the Federation-made furniture.
I was told that higher cla.s.s products were handled only by Flitch headquarters and not Claire.
According to Claire, the furniture I ordered would be prioritizing pa.s.sing through their territory.
That’s because it would be hard to use high handed tactics to apply tariffs against me or take time to investigate the goods.
The transporter would exaggerate stories about me to scare the guards into thinking that I would attack them if they damage their cargo it’s because of these things that strange rumors start going around.
That is probably my furniture. My new mansion was just completed so I wanted a new set of furniture before moving in.
It’s not something I really need to hide so I answered normally, but it altered the mood drastically.
W-what was that
I-in such dire times
The trio all express their shock loudly, causing all those around us to talk amongst themselves as well.
We’re just moving to a mansion next door.
Tell them everything without interruption by yourselves later.
I feel Nonna tugging my sleeve.
Aegir-sama, you were supposed to make it widespread that you have money to spare in that situation. It takes a considerable sum for n.o.bles to move houses after all.
It’s true that it would have cost me a pretty penny if Claudia didn’t take care of it.
But isn’t that because you chose overly extravagant furniture?
The mansion and the furniture cost me 50 000 gold.
My intuition is acting strange because of that pig woman, but I think average n.o.bles struggle to even scrounge up 1000 gold. Oww!
You’re one to talk. b.o.o.b woman!
Carla appears directly behind Nonna and sneakily pinches her a.s.s cheek.
Nonna’s face turns red and after checking that those around her didn’t make a fuss, she pinches Carla’s thigh in return.
Hey, take it easy on each other or it’ll leave a mark.
Not good, the dest.i.tute trio are looking at me in disbelief.
As expected of a Margrave a useless person like me wouldn’t have been able to hold this event today if I didn’t sell the family’s tableware.
I had to fire my chef and ask my wife to go into the kitchen
I had to pick weeds from the garden and boil them to make soup
The conversation is becoming more pitiful.
Don’t n.o.bles live with pride?
Also, Baron Gokhin, even normal citizens don’t do that.
If only there was someone would could save us from this predicament, we would never forget this debt for the rest of our lives.
Why did they just talk in unison?
I guess the only choice we have left is to bear the shame and find a loanshark to-
I might have found myself in a tight bind where I can only sell off my daughter-
I wonder how much has everyone saved up for this month’s fundraising to save the feudal lord.
Eeei, don’t keep glancing over at me.
Also, the last guy, don’t act like some beggar.
If only- if only we had some money, none of this would have to happen!!
Their voices overlap again.
I have money at my disposal so I’m not incapable of helping.
However, this amount was left because Claudia exchanged her jewels to buy the furniture for the new mansion.
Wouldn’t lending out this money be like lending out Claudia’s money?
Why not lend them something?
I feel pressure behind me and turn around to see Claudia there.
She apparently emptied a plate of food on the table and came over while she was waiting for it to be replenished.
But giving them money that is essentially yours.
My money belongs to you. Please use this chance to make more allies. If you decide here, then more rumors will started by all the witnesses present in this place. They will also be unable to betray you.
For their beloved to be lifted to higher heights. That is a woman’s utmost happiness. Tens of thousands of gold is trivial in comparison.
That’s right, I have to aim higher.
Then I’ll take you up on your offer and use this gold of yours.
I understand. I will lend you as much as you need later.
I can’t just give money to them as n.o.bles.
I have to lend it to them even if they have no hope of paying me back or else it would hurt their pride.
I don’t know if they still have any at this point if they’re eating weeds and fundraising.
Oooooh I will not forget this debt for the rest of my life!
You don’t have to make it such a big deal, but you better be my ally.
I will definitely get my grandchild or great grandchild to pay you back!
If you’re going to pay be back, do it yourself it’s not funny to shoulder someone with debt as soon as they come out of the womb.
N-now I can call back my wife and children who have hidden their status to work in bars!
What are you doing?
Hurry and call them back.
Now that I look carefully, the other people who have lent them money or supplies are also relieved.
I’m guessing they all had a fair amount of bad debt.
I should probably lend them a little more so they don’t deplete their funds just by paying off their debts.
Thus the dinner party finishes and I end up staying in Count Monas.h.i.+’s house for one night.
Nonna and the others gathered with madam such and such and her company to continue their conversation so I, accompanied by Celia, return to the room prepared for me.
10 000 gold for Count Monas.h.i.+, 4500 gold for Viscount Binbo and for Baron Gokhinhey, 482 gold plus 3 silver is too fussy. Just make it an even 500 gold.
On another note, the total amount lent to Baron Gokhin was even lower than the price of the new table I bought.
As I think about what he could do with such a little amount, I can’t help but wonder whether Nonna and Claudia are making my sense of what is normal warp.
Put these bonds on Adolph’s desk when you get back. Try to make it as sneaky and inconspicuous as possible.
I hand the three bonds taken from the trio to Celia.
It pains me a little I was happy that the cost of moving in was lifted, you know.
Well, the money was loaned out so it technically isn’t lost.
It might come back in my grandchildren’s generation.
I have to do something to pay Adolph back too.
Isn’t restraining Nonna the best reward he can get?
I couldn’t do something like that.
No matter how much I try, I could never put the beautiful Nonna and Adolph on the same level.
then you could completely and thoroughly protect your territory. If any of the land is exposed to war, all of Adolph’s work would be for naught.
You’re right. Leopolt will protect the territory and Adolph will make the citizens happy. As for me
You’ll sleep with women?
I hug Celia.
But then she holds out a hand against my chest.
I will go and wipe my body down first. It’s dirty from the journey.
I’m fine with her as she is, but it’s important to her as a girl I guess.
Go on then.
After I send Celia off, there isn’t anything much for me to do so I lay sideways on the bed until I hear a knock on the door.
Who is it?
Um, my name is Meise4. I’m the fourth daughter of the Monas.h.i.+ household.
Oh yeah, the all three of the dest.i.tute trio have tons of kids in their family.
The girl who entered the room looks to be about 16, not an age where a woman’s s.e.x appeal is on full display, however she still looks healthy.
Her body is growing steadily, her b.r.e.a.s.t.s and a.s.s are becoming more defined.
Is there anything that inconveniences you?
No, I’m comfortable. The food was delicious too.
The girl smiles.
I’m really thankful for what you did today. Whenever we attend a dinner party, everyone is always talking behind our backs about how we’re poor or racked with debt, making all of us, including our father, feel miserable.
As Meise speaks, she sits herself beside me on the bed.
You’re dependable and you have a big heart what a lovely gentleman.
Meise places her hand on my lap she’s still young but at an age where I can sleep with her.
Did you come because your father told you to? You don’t have to force yourself.
I know I’m not the brightest person in the world, but even I can tell this is Count Monas.h.i.+’s way of treating me.
My hand extends to the girl’s thigh.
No although that is also a reason why I’m here. It’s just I feel your charm as a man.
Hahaha, what a smooth talker.
If I embrace her, Count Monas.h.i.+ will probably try to take advantage of this and send me more.
I’ve been getting used to this kind of strategy lately so it won’t be so easy to win me over.
I make naked her chest area and fondle her b.r.e.a.s.t.s while slowly pus.h.i.+ng her down onto the bed.
‘I’m sure Lord Hardlett will make you happy if you go to his side, so relax.’ That’s what my father told me
You’re making me blush.
If he impulsively sent a woman to greet me at his mansion, perhaps he also sent girls to the others as well.
I’m sure it’ll be something troublesome.
I pull down the girl’s underwear and spread open her legs so I can lick her crotch.
I will do my best to satisfy you so please- aaah! I-it hurts! Aaaaaah!!
I thrust my hips forward after getting in between her legs.
So she’s a virgin.
Even though she secreted plenty of love juices, she let out a scream when her hymen was torn.
Aaauuu! HIiiiih! You’re too big!
I try to take it easy with my movements, rocking back and forth slowly, yet tears still stream down her face.
I gently embrace her and swing my hips carefully.
I rain kisses on her while moving my body with her in my arms and then her screams start to die down.
In their place, soft moans start to escape her lips.
With this being her first time, I can’t prolong the session too long or else it would start to hurt her again.
I’ll have to e.j.a.c.u.l.a.t.e soon.
Aah! Go ahead!
Miese wraps her arms and legs around my body.
now I can’t pull out.
Please release it inside! Don’t hold back and shoot it all inside me!
I think I can guess what she’s aiming for.
Pulling out after a woman begs to be impregnated is not allowed as a man.
I press down my weight to pin her and then release a full load inside her.
Kyah! S-so hot what incredible force and volume
It was a quick e.j.a.c.u.l.a.t.i.o.n brought upon without any violent moments out of consideration for her body so my climax lasted for a mere one minute, but the girl’s eyes widen as she listens to sound of my seed shooting into her body.
mother, sister I did it.
She muttered something, but let’s not worry about it.
After the deed was done, Miese bows her head and asks me to treat her well before exiting the room.
Kyah! I-I’m sorry!
When she went out the door, she let out a cry for some reason.
My body is feeling hot now, maybe I should enjoy the night breeze.
I open the door and walk down the corridor.
It didn’t take long before I could sense maliciousness directed at my back.
I walk out onto the terrace and stretch but the presence doesn’t dissipate.
The problem is with the source of maliciousness.
Hey Celia I can’t calm down if you stick so close to me.
Celia is keeping herself close behind me, not even giving me a few centimeters’ worth of s.p.a.ce to breathe.
She doesn’t say anything, only continuing to release that evil aura.
Apparently, she didn’t enter the room after coming back from wiping her body down when she saw me starting to have s.e.x already, instead waiting on standby in front of the door.
Hey, don’t sulk. When a woman comes to me, I just have to eat them up. It’s my duty.
I’ll be extra pa.s.sionate for making you wait. What if I treat you like a princess? Or would you like the usual daughter treatment?
Celia looks around and confirms n.o.body is around before whispering in my ear.
I want you to treat me like a younger sister who, after a long time, gets reunited with her older brother and when playing around, creates a couple-like mood please and thank you.
That’s pretty specific.
-Third Person POV-
High Society at Night
That night, Nonna, Carla and Mel would have a battle of words, under the name of chitchat, with the wives of the other households.
So when the wife treated the Honorable Minister with disrespect, I hear she got demoted.
Oh my, how scary. But I always thought she was a vulgar woman. it might have been inevitable.
Oh, how cruel! Ohohohoho.
The range of topics were diverse but all of them got quite heated when gossiping about others.
In particular, this dinner party didn’t only have the new n.o.bles of the military kind, but many wives of traditional n.o.bles on the civil side also attended.
The wickedness of those n.o.bles stood out more to make up for not being able to directly utilize their power.
What do you think, Madam Hardlett?
Fufu, I think not acting with cla.s.s really gets in the way of the husband.
Nonna answers inoffensively and dodges the question but the other girls presses her further with a nasty smile on their faces.
You’re right. You’re a truly elegant and lovely person but it’s such a hard job, isn’t it? Isn’t your husband quite fickle?
I hear that he ostentatiously surrounds himself with women. It must really strain you emotionally.
He even had the gall to take several wives with him to this social gathering. He seems dependable though
They try to sound worried about Nonna but is actually asking her whether she is really loved while simultaneously attacking the concubines Carla and Mel.
That’s not the case at all. He spreads his love around but that also means he has more of it.
Nonna tries to give a reb.u.t.tal but she gets outnumbered and more malicious remarks disguised as concern get directed at her one after the other.
But if you aren’t careful, you might get a disease transmitted to you from some prost.i.tute
Oh my, how disgusting! But maybe someone in the household already has it you know how some people have some incredible birthplaces, right?
There were rumors about how Carla was once a mercenary.
It is not unheard of for a female mercenary to be fine with doing similar acts as a prost.i.tute.
Targeting the easy-to-hit places has always been common practice in this world.
Carla was about to stand up from being unable to hold back any longer, but Mel grabs her arm.
What! Don’t get in my way!
If you punch them, you will really be considered an uncivilized person. Just bear with it it will soon be over.
Nonna looks apologetically at Carla.
She knew that covering for her too much would worsen the situation and only prolong the attacks.
I memorized their names and faces I will tell Aegir-sama afterwards.
Right, right, if we talk about birthplaces-
It was when that madam tried to focus more on the topic.
An explosive sound roared.
What was that sound just now!?
It blew up the table cloth!
A lukewarm wind-!
It blew away the conversation in an instant
How unattractive, you girls.
The one who appeared with her arms folded was Claudia.
Clara was following closely behind her but she is pinching her nose and her face is scrunched up.
No, not as much as you
Claudia continues her steady attack, suppressing the other wives with her pressure.
All this persistent nagging is stupid! If you don’t like something, why not just come right out and say it?
Claudia stands in front of the group of girls previously attacking Nonna and the others.
Miss, your mouth stinks. You have a mint to erase the smell but it mixes up with the other scents and makes it worse. Use a lemon instead.
The woman hastily covers her mouth.
Miss, that fur you are wearing like it’s something precious actually belongs to a dog but was made to look like fox fur. You can’t even tell it belongs to a dog? You must not have seen what good furs look like.
The woman’s face turns red and she leaves her seat.
She most likely won’t be coming back.
If you’re going to belittle someone, do it brazenly. I’ve shown you an example, now try saying something to me.
The girls look annoyingly at Claudia but couldn’t say anything.
They knew where to attack just by looking at her.
But calling Claudia a pig would be like calling a stray dog a d.a.m.n mutt.
It would be such a childish and immature insult.
Claudia sighs, seeing as n.o.body was willing to speak up.
Is that all you girls got? I speak a little more forcefully and you can’t even make a sound, how pathetic. Yet you still consider yourselves n.o.blewomen. I’ve had enough, let’s go Clara.
Taking a direct attack with some of it getting to her eyes, Clara drags herself behind Claudia in tears as she leaves.
Oh that’s right. My name is Claudia. I’m here as a guest of Margrave Hardlett. You are welcome to come anytime if you have something to say to me.
The entire place was completely frozen after Claudia left.
Shall we call it a night for today?
I guess. After all-
It really stinks.
that was a big help.
Nonna reluctantly expresses her thanks.
Geez, you’re supposed to be his legal wife right? You have to be stronger than that.
I thought making enemies would cause more trouble for Aegir-sama
How ridiculous, enemies can’t do anything if you raise your status. Rather than worrying about not making enemies, make more allies. And also, you have to be strong-willed all the time.
She’s essentially saying it doesn’t matter if you make a whole bunch of weak enemies.
Those girls will at most just talk behind your back and won’t actually do anything. You can make as many enemies like that if you want, and you should also learn who you shouldn’t make into your enemy.
Besides, I’m sure we won’t be their target tomorrow. It will be those two girls I told off earlier. Those kind of people can’t stand up to others who are ready to stand up to them.
Claudia’s unreserved way of speaking wins Nonna over.
You should really be careful of swindlers and the like.
Carla and Mel were watching one step behind after saying thanks.
You girls don’t have enough courage. You are women chosen by your beloved Aegir-sama so acting as pathetic as this is really troubling. If you are satisfied with me, I can help anytime. Become strong and confident women.
After she finishes talking, the plump madam carries Clara, who looks nauseous from the stench, and returns to her room in a gallant manner.
As Nonna watches on, the hostile intent that once existed in her eyes disappears.
Protagonist: Aegir Hardlett. 23 years old. Winter.
Status: Goldonia Kingdom Margrave. Great Feudal Lord of Eastern Area. Mountain Legend. Friend of the Dwarves. Friend of the King of Aless. Dragon Slayer Hero.
Citizens: 174,000. Major Cities – Rafen: 25,000. Lintbloom: 5000. Vandolea Special Town: 9000.
Family: Nonna (softening), Carla (concubine), Mel (cautious), Claudia (strong meatball), Clara (poisoned), Celia (younger sister)
a.s.sets: 20,820 gold (loan to poor n.o.bles -15 000)
s.e.xual Partners: 289, children who have been born: 54 + 555 fish
Nat: no name is even given Nat: Aegir could never remember this guy’s name Nat: again, no name. Don’t think it’s the same guy as earlier. Nat: mees?